@Kneecap I think you're misunderstanding the point and you're fixating on the Indian slums which was just a random example. If it helps change the example to arctic circle inuit and see if that works in your response.
People have actively said "no I don't want change" or words to this effect in this thread. You'll find their posts if you read back.
They've also fallen for the falacy that the best people for a job automatically get the job, which isn't true. The world works off of who you know, what you know can just help if you have the right contacts in the first place.
John, Alex, Tom and Richard are great hosts and I enjoy watching them. That doesn't mean them having the roles they have isn't a product of circumstance.
This whole debate works off of people thinking they've earned what they've achieved, which really isn't true.
Unfortunately, seems most people still forget that the whole social and economic paradigm we all live in only exists due to colonialism, the systematic genocide of non-white folks and patriarchal power structures. Discussing diversity is but a small way to acknowledge all of that and take steps towards a more egalitarian world.
Some of the white peoples are basically the only peoples on the globe that self-critical of themselves. Which is why, ironically, you should cherish and adore them.
think "maybe it's okay to allow people from different backgrounds to be on the show" then maybe it's a you issue
Obviously it's okay to have people with different backgrounds on the show.
But that's not what was written, that's not what the complaint of the original poster was. Is it?
It wasn't about different backgrounds, it was about the selection of the DF retro panel members.
it would be great to get more diversity on the shows like DF Direct, and newly announced DF retro which also has an all-white-male panel
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It's a complaint about immutable characteristics of DF and the DF panel, and their guests.
Moreover, it's a request to select potential team members and/or guests not on their different backgrounds, experience, opinions, and quality of conversation but instead by the colour of their skin.
I note that the OG poster hasn't returned to this thread, which further demonstrates my point that this was a classic "praise sandwich" troll.
@StooMonster if it's obviously okay why are you arguing against it so hard?
The original post was a request to see people from different backgrounds on the show and then a statement of fact - the DF panel is all white men from similar backgrounds. Here's what they wrote:
As long time DF youtube viewer I enjoy your content, and congrats on new website and independence. But it would be great to get more diversity on the shows like DF Direct, and newly announced DF retro which also has an all-white-male panel. Otherwise keep up the great work and all the best!
I'm from the same background but I don't find that fact or the request to be even close to as much of an issue as you seem to find it. It's not suggesting that Rich, John, Alex, Tom and Oliver are in anyway not capable, you seem to have applied that intpretation yourself...which is a bit weird. They even tell them to keep up the good work, the kind of thing you would say when you want to see people carrying on working with DF.
My background — details of my life, such as my family, upbringing, education, work experience, and social origins — is unique to me, although has a lot of commonality here in these forums I'm sure.
Going by you posts it looks like you just enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing and the sound of your own metaphorical voice.
So you edit what people post, then set up straw-men, criticise me without saying what for. All using coded language.
I came here to converse about 'Games and Tech' and in Digital Foundry and DF Retro I want to hear from interesting people who know what they're talking about, have interesting opinions, present well, etc. no matter who they are.
@SandyB if anything, this thread is very useful for putting the Ignore function to work. Some of the responses here are clear indicators that unfortunately DF also has as fans some of the worst "gamers" out there (think people who probably subscribe to stuff like asmongold, grummz, the lot).
I wouldn't push for the topic to be closed just because some people chose to derail it with bad faith arguments. Especially, I would hope that this remaining open means at some point someone from the DF team could have eyes on it and maybe even consider what kind of actions they could take in order to enrich their content further. Imagine, for instance, if they ever decide to make a DF Retro episode where it's a retrospective for localized consoles beyond just Japan/US/Europe (that could even start by tapping on some of the unusual ways games used to be adjusted for Germany, something the current team must have a lot of insight on).
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