As long time DF youtube viewer I enjoy your content, and congrats on new website and independence. But it would be great to get more diversity on the shows like DF Direct, and newly announced DF retro which also has an all-white-male panel. Otherwise keep up the great work and all the best!
Might have a bit to do with the country they're in I'd guess. For example, I made no effort to be like this, but all my friends are white.
With that said, yeah should be easy enough to get some lady friends as guests.
No harm in having a few guests popping in now and again to add different voices. From a full-time panel perspective, I imagine it's very much a case of finding people with the correct level of technical knowledge and williness to get involved, plus availability and many other factors. It's fair to say the gaming industry isn't exactly friendly at times to diversity, of which I mean online trolls calling people out at any given chance. DF already unfairly receives flack for such silly reasons, so I can't imagine the perceived hate for mixing things up too much.
I'm sure it's something the guys are very aware of and will seek to improve in time with adding more voices.
yeah they should have diversity. in the social context of having different backgrounds of gamers LIKE ME who I am 20 years old and I have other opinions that arent based on older gamer bros like john and alex, thats totally what you meant right?
Digital Foundry having a UK and European bent on a global scale is diversity in the first place.
Even John lives in Germany.
I'd love to hear more about gaming over the ages in other European countries and tales from the depths of PAL
No more Nintendo saved gaming by inventing it in 1985 nonsense anymore.
Employing people based on their immutable characteristics rather than talent, applicability for the role, and proven ability is a betrayal of merit—and it ultimately weakens every team, every product, and every mission worth pursuing.
@NetshadeX It's a catch 22 though. People don't just randomly get into things and feel able to do them because they just woke up and felt like it. It's because they saw people they could relate to on TV or on the internet that inspired them and made them feel able to do that thing for themselves. We are all exclusively the sum of our life experiences and if your life experience doesn't ever encourage you to go down a certain path, you never will.
It's the same reason why for years there were very few women working in science even though women have been responsible for some of the biggest discoveries by humans across multiple fields.
If someone doesn't change the status quo, the status quo doesn't magically change itself.
@SandyB I partially agree. I believe the internet is doing the diversity job for us in the sense that nearly every culture on Earth is literally connected now. This created a new internet culture that in turn is now flowing back into our real world society. That's the reason some tyrannical governments are working overtime controlling what their population has online access to. I believe that in the end, traditional social issues like most -isms will be taken care of naturally as most real world cultures are rapidly assimilating. Not being patient and forcing diversity actually gets in the way of natural change. Forcing ideas on people never goes well. It just creates polarization and before you know it the goal is no longer to achieve diversity but to lash out at the other team. That's why things like race swapping Severus Snape is a terrible idea. That's an act of aggression and even if it isn't meant that way, it certainly gets interpreted that way. It puts people of color in an awkward position as well. A far better option would be to add an interesting character to the universe. All in all where I disagree with you is that the status quo doesn't change itself. I'm extremely confident that it will, if we only have the patience to let it.
Wow it only took a day of DF forums existing for someone to bring up Identity Politics in here. DF doesn't need a diversity quota.
Right? especially with a team so small, like what are we even talking about? When you're talking about a main on screen team of that few people, you kinda get what you get, especially considering they aren't just random, hired talking head presenters, but people with specialized knowledge and skills.
"All in all where I disagree with you is that the status quo doesn't change itself. I'm extremely confident that it will, if we only have the patience to let it."
This is simply not true! Societal change only happens through prolonged, focused effort. We're talking generations upon generations of effort here. Every personal liberty you enjoy has been relentlessly fought for and there is still a long road ahead of us!
@Rusty1984 Most discussion of video games in the English language takes place in the context of Westerners who grew up in very specific socioeconomic conditions, which is to say they could afford to purchase video games and lived in markets where manufacturers & publishers saw the most value. But there is a whole world of other people with different perspectives from that.
You can't throw a rock online without hitting a 40-year-old, white, American Nintendo fan. The games they choose to talk about, the history they choose to preserve, the new releases they recommend, all that stuff comes with heavy biases.
I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just how things are. Acknowledging it and looking for opportunities to bring in other perspectives (the Brazilian who grew up poor and played Master System titles all through the 1990s) is valuable and worth talking about.
There was me thinking we were here to talk about game stuff...
This IS the General Discussion section, so why would this not be worth discussing?
OT, I certainly hope that if the DF crew grows or whenever they consider getting people for guesting or interviews, that they will make an effort to approach more diverse views. I know for instance that Audi spent some years in Brazil, so he probably has a lot of insight and connections to that particular community.
The defensiveness in comments here is a little disappointing...
I can understand not supporting diversity solely for the sake of diversity itself, but OPs post was both positive and innocuous.
It’s not a post I would’ve made necessarily, mostly because I don’t think it would lead to an interesting discussion, but the simple act of saying, “hey, more diversity would be cool, keep up the great work!”, does not warrant knee jerk strawman reactions.
The defensiveness in comments here is a little disappointing...
I can understand not supporting diversity solely for the sake of diversity itself, but OPs post was both positive and innocuous.
It’s not a post I would’ve made necessarily, mostly because I don’t think it would lead to an interesting discussion, but the simple act of saying, “hey, more diversity would be cool, keep up the great work!”, does not warrant knee jerk strawman reactions.
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